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Old 10-03-2010, 14:25
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Default Car registration in italy

Hello all,

Some time ago I promised to keep the group informed about my quest to register our little Punto as non-residents. Below is a copy of my legal advice from the Italian/Irish solicitors in Dublin Orazzio Grosso - for info. I'll keep you informed through the summer as we tread our way through the various steps outlined.

"Dear Mr. Brophy,



We regard to your request of assistance in connection with the purchasing of a car in Italy.


We have carried out the relevant legal search and we have ascertained that a non-resident can purchase an Italian registrated vehicle under these following terms: according to the Italian Road Traffic Act, in particular art. 134 sub.1-bis, a European citizen can register an Italian car condition that he must make an affidavit (dichiarazione sostitutiva di notorieta’) stating that he/she own a real estate in the Country or has a relevant interest in the Country. In this last case he/she has to elect domicile at the address of an Italian resident.

In light of above we can confirm that you are in the position to purchase a car in Italy as you had represented in the meeting in this office."

ACI, here we come!

Dermot
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Old 10-03-2010, 15:29
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Default Car Regristration in Italy

Hi Dermot
We were very interested in your information about the purchase and registration of a car in Italy. Your information was very helpful. We would love to hear how you get on when you purchase and register your car. You mentioned ACI what is that?
We have a house in San Nicola since 2005, so where would we go to register a car if we buy one there. We are at present driving an English registered car which we bought in England and drove it down to San Nicola and left it there, but we would prefer to have an Italian registered car.

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June & Dermot
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Hi Dermot,
I am a bit slow on the uptake, and found the following sentence intriguing.

"In this last case he/she has to elect domicile at the address of an Italian resident."

Does this mean you need to be domiciled full -time in Italy oneself, or pretend to be domiciled at the address of another permanent Italian resident? Or does it actually mean you can register a car at your holiday home address as a non resident?

I'm very puzzled.

Markel
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Old 10-03-2010, 19:11
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Hello, Markel and June (I see we share a first name.)

Yes, it is a bit convoluted. I take that sentence to refer to the "latter case" - i.e. if, not actually owning real estate in the country, you nonetheless have a legitimate interest. It might be a business interest, or it might be other. As most of us on this forum do actually own premises in Italy, my advice is that we simply need to prove such ownership to register a car.

Time will tell - provided they haven't changed the law before we get a chance to do it!! As you know they now change laws as frequently as they used to change governments.

June, ACI - which, when pronounced, sounds like a sneeze - (Automobile Club d'Italia) is, I think, a kind of NGO like the AA or RIAC, to which apparently, the authorities delegate some motor registration functions. I'll know more when I start the process. I think they have an office in Diamante, but they would certainly have one in Cosenza.

Whereabouts in San Nic are you? We are in Parco Rocca Dei Principi, out by the Baiai Azzura. We'll be over in early June - so we must meet for a chat.

Dermot

PS I have just found the ACI page, through Google - (Automobile Club d'Italia: Home page )and it has very interesting info on the various "servizi offerti" - see what it says under "Servizi Tasse Automobilistiche"

Vinceremo un giorno!!!

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Old 10-03-2010, 23:09
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Hi Dermot

Thanks for that. We are in Parco Poggio Del Sole, Vanefora. We are going on 23rd March to 9th April and again on 28th May till the 28th of July. We would love to meet up for chat anytime during this time. We will be on line so you can email us.

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Hi Dermot,
We are also very interested in buying an Italian car so will be following your progress closely. Reckon there would be massive savings to be had not having to rent everytime we are out there. Would have to talk nicely to our neighbours in Santa Domenica re parking with space being so scarce on our little streets. Don't think there'd be a problem there though ! Heading over for Easter so might have a look out for a car then. Anyone any hints as to where would be a good place to buy?
Thanks
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Old 12-03-2010, 15:08
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I will also keep a check on this thread, as this situation is something we have often talked about ourselves. Going on to the next stage, I know previous threads have talked about insuring an British registered car in Italy, but has anybody any idea the cost of insuring a Italian registered Car in Italy, and is their insurance process the same as ours, i.e. Fully Comp or Third Party etc?

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Hi Dermot, Thanks for the information. Great to hear we can now buy a car in Italy. It would be a lot better than having to hire a car every time we go to Italy. I will be watching with great interest.

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Hi ,
I spoke to a couple last year about car insurance in Italy and ,if I remember correctly,they pay in excess of !000 euros for their annual car insurance. This put me off a bit for when you add the train fares to get to Scalea from Rome/Naples/Lamezia etc. it may work out cheaper to continue to hire a small car from the airport.
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You're correct Billy. Insurance is still very spendy for a personal car. Our policy is with the English group Italsure and it cost nearly €900, or similar to what insurance for 2 vehicles in the US cost us! It's just one of those unavoidable things I reckon. DJ
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I am not at all surprised by the high cost of insurance - just look at the way they drive. Like lunatics! It simply has to result in a very high level of accidents, hence very high premia.

Billy is correct as always - it will continue to be a hired Fiat Panda for me, or perhaps even the bus.

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Oops, something went wrong with the typing there, I think.
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June, ACI - which, when pronounced, sounds like a sneeze - (Automobile Club d'Italia) is, I think, a kind of NGO like the AA or RIAC, to which apparently, the authorities delegate some motor registration functions. I'll know more when I start the process. I think they have an office in Diamante, but they would certainly have one in Cosenza.

PS I have just found the ACI page, through Google - (Automobile Club d'Italia: Home page )and it has very interesting info on the various "servizi offerti" - see what it says under "Servizi Tasse Automobilistiche"

Vinceremo un giorno!!!

D
Dermot,
Can you send the link to the bit you are talking about under "Servizi Tasse Automobilistiche", I can't seem to find it and am curious (aka nosy) 8-)

There is an ACI office in Diamante (opposite the ambulance station, near the cinema) and we used it for registering our latest car.
I can recommend you speak to Salvatore Carrozzino there as he was very helpful to us.
There is also an office in Belvedere but the Diamante one seems busier and better equipped.
They are hooked up to all the necessary computer systems so they can print out any relevant forms and submit them online so there doesn't need to be a lot of toing and froing (one of the joys of Italian beaurocracy!) and it also saves time.

Another useful feature of the ACI website is that you can input the number plate (targa) of a car you are buying and that will tell you when the bollo is due for renewal (or if it is overdue!)

Best wishes, Lesley
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Old 14-03-2010, 10:51
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Oh, and......

You can also apply online (for a small charge) for a copy of the PRA register data related to any vehicle by inputting the number plate.

My translation of this service below...

The Automobile Club of Italy manages the Public Registry Automotive (PRA), which contains inscriptions, transcriptions and annotations relating to motor vehicles, motorcycles and trailers as "movable property register" under the rules laid down by the Civil Code.
As the PRA is a public list, anyone interested can apply for and obtain the data and information relating to any vehicle registered according to the number plate.
Today you can get this information on line, making the payment by credit card.

So you shouldn't get any nasty surprises about ownership etc of any car you are thinking of buying.

Lesley

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Ciao, Leslie.

Sorry for nor getting back to you sooner, but we have been away in Cipro - just back the other day. When I brought up Automobile Club d'Italia in Google, I found a "DOVE SIAMO" box, about half-way down the Home Page - a destra. When you chose "Provincia" the lower drop-down menu gives you the kind of service you want to locate - amongst which is "Servizi Tasse Automobilistiche". On clicking "Invia" the following paragraph comes up - if it is of interest, I reproduce it here for you.:-


"Servizi tasse
I cittadini residenti nelle Regioni non convenzionate con ACI per la gestione delle tasse automobilistiche possono avvalersi della consulenza generale offerta in materia dagli sportelli URP degli Uffici Provinciali ACI. Per casistiche specifiche relative al bollo auto (ad esempio pagamenti pregressi, contenzioso, errori, richieste di rimborso, richieste di esenzione, ecc.), devono invece rivolgersi agli Uffici Tributi della propria Regione (si consiglia di consultare il sito web regionale"

The full significance of all this I only glimpse "through a glass, darkly", but no doubt all will become clearer after a visit to the Diamante office - and a chat with the contact you suggested - for which many thanks.

Hope to se you in early June, all going smoothly. Regards to Brian, and all my other friends - material and virtual - should that read "virtuous"?!!

Dermot
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Old 18-08-2010, 14:10
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Hi Dermot,
Just getting back to the idea of purchasing and registering a car..............did you make any progress since your last post? Definitely has to be a better solution to hiring every time !
Niamh
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Old 19-08-2010, 00:50
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Hello Niamh.

Not very much progress, I'm afraid. My first problem involved paying the annual tax on the car - I have not been able to find out when it was last paid. I succeeded in paying the current year's tax in the ACI office in Diamante. Having discused the matter of registration with them, they discovered that the last change of ownership was not properly done (through no fault of the previous owner). They took photo-copies of my docs, and promised to ring me.

I'm sure you are no more surprised than I that, two months later, I have had no phonecall! I am not getting too upset about this now, as I have documentary evidence that the process is in hand. The important thing from my point of view is that I actually have all the docs I require to be legal on the road.

When I go back in September I may drop in to ACI again and check on "progress". If I have anything to report at that stage, I'll post the info here.

Sorry to be of so little help.

If you want to have a chat about all this, a PM would be fine.

Regards to all

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Not at all Dermot - it's all of great help. Will PM you !
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Thumbs up Car Ownership in Italy - from 'Incalabria' forum

I found this recently on the 'Incalabria' forum, and it seems to sum up all the options on ownership.

Regarding insurance, some people are quoting high prices - which is quite true.... but if I compare the cost of my fully comp in the UK, plus the cost of Green Card 3-4 times a year.... it isn't really much different. I think they quoted Italsure (where I also got a price); basically you can get 'whole of EU fully comp for the year' and just... go where you want to.

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Courtesy of Calabria Homes Forum • Index page forum
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Hi Folks,
I have been registered on-line with the " Overseas Guides Co." (OGC) and I have been receiving regular emails with useful information about various aspect of living, owning a property etc. in Italy from Gianna Williams of OGC. I really have found the topics sent to me quite informative.
I have not purchased their Guide but are receiving parts of the Guide via these emails
Take a look at the following link which should enable you to register and receive these emails. Advice for Italy Property Buyers on Buying Italian properties in Italy, Property Buying Process Revealed.


As an example this is part of the latest email I have received from them.

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ONE FOOT IN, ONE FOOT OUT
================================================== ====

In Italy you can own a house in the country without being a
resident. This means you are technically only 'domiciled' in
Italy. Residency is now very easy to obtain in Italy if you are
a citizen of an EU member state. You simply go into the local
council anagrafe with a copy of your Deed of Purchase, a
UK health insurance document (the EHIC will do), proof of your
UK earnings, a marriage certificate if applicable and four
passport size photographs. The carta d'identità, though not a
popular concept in the UK, is actually very handy in Italy,
where you legally have to have some form of ID on you at all
times.

Though you need not take up residency, there are some big
advantages. The first is that you will be allowed to buy a car,
whereas non-residents cannot. You will also be able to register
with the NHS system (ASL, also known as la mutua and not to
be confused with il mutuo, which is a mortgage!).

If you take up residency, you can also keep your UK car and
simply re-licence it in Italy, with the help of an agency. If you
intend to become resident you can buy your house with
a substantial discount, paying only 4% stamp duty instead of
10%. However you will need to take up residency within 18
months of the act of purchase or you will have to pay the
difference plus a fine.

On the tax side of things, it is definitely best to remain inside
the UK system as much as possible, because the Italian tax
system is heavy-handed, bureaucratic and very haphazard in its
calculations of what income tax a person owes. For example, if a
plumber lives in San Remo, the tax office will decide that for
him to live in that area he must necessarily earn x amount, and
he will be taxed on that, whether he actually earns it or not...

Italy and the UK have a double taxation agreement, designed so
that citizens of either country are not taxed twice on the same income
and it is worth consulting the text of this agreement to see how it
applies to you. In any case, consult a specialist accountant or the
Inland Revenue if you are going to be working while taking up
residency in Italy.


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TODAY'S BURNING QUESTION
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Can I take my British car and use it there rather than buy
an Italian one?

If you have not taken up residency in Italy, then you will have
no choice but to bring your car over from the UK, as non-
residents cannot buy cars there.

If you want to take your car to Italy and keep it registered
as a UK car, there is nothing to stop you from doing this.
You will need to check that your insurance company in the UK
will insure it, as Italian insurance companies will only insure
a car licenced in Italy. You will also have to drive it back to
the UK every year for its MOT, which is a hassle even for those
of us who live near the French border, let alone if your house
is down in Tuscany or Abruzzo.

If you want to drive your British car to Italy and re-licence
it there, it makes good sense both for insurance purposes and also
for the MOT, which is only required after four years for a new car,
and every two years thereafter. MOTs also cost less and are less
rigorous than in the UK.

There are two ways of going about this: the hard way and the
easy way. My husband and I did it the hard way, only because
we didn't know the easy way existed!

The hard way was to contact all the relevant authorities ourselves
including the offices of the motorizzazione, visit these offices
personally - which were miles away - with all our UK
paperwork, send off the UK registration document to DVLA
declaring that the car was now to be licenced in Italy, taking
the DVLA confirmation document to the motorizzazione
office, getting a mechanic to change the speedometer from
miles to kilometres, then taking the car back to the motorizzazione
to have the headlights checked and the licence plate fitted...

The easy way was to give to the whole procedure to the same
automotive agencies that in Italy will organise driving licence
renewals etc and who will do the whole thing for you for a
very reasonable cost!

In Italy carabinieri will often stop cars to check their
paperwork is in order. You must always have the libretto di
circolazione certificate on you and your driver's licence.


If you'd like to receive all of the information in the Italy
Buying Guide all at once, please order your copy at:
Italy Buying Guide
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For example this is part of the latest email I have received from them.

================================================== ===
ONE FOOT IN, ONE FOOT OUT
================================================== ====

In Italy you can own a house in the country without being a
resident. This means you are technically only 'domiciled' in
Italy. Residency is now very easy to obtain in Italy if you are
a citizen of an EU member state. You simply go into the local
council anagrafe with a copy of your Deed of Purchase, a
UK health insurance document (the EHIC will do), proof of your
UK earnings, a marriage certificate if applicable and four
passport size photographs. The carta d'identità, though not a
popular concept in the UK, is actually very handy in Italy,
where you legally have to have some form of ID on you at all
times.

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As very many of us know from experience this article is both misleading and inaccurate.

You certainly can't "simply go into the local council anagrafe".
The EHIC is NOT accepted as the necessary health insurance document.
Proof of your UK earnings will not necessarily be acceptable (and where is the information on the minimum amounts required to prove you are financial self-sufficient?).

The only part I agree with in this particular extract is that the carta d'identità is a useful document to have as it saves you from carrying your passport around with you.

The paragraph regarding tax is similarly misleading and inaccurate!

I am amazed that "Overseas Guides Co" believes they can publish such nonsense and charge money for it, to be frank.

Harrummph!
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